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      a year ago

      Here is my failed cotton cheesecake project from the Baked Cheesecake course.

      As you can see, it came out as buttermilk and did not integrate at all. This is not the first time this has happened to me when making cheesecakes and I don’t understand why it is . It frustrates the hell out of me. Shame about ingredients, electricity and time 🫤😞.

      what could have happened if I followed all the steps? I didn’t change anything, to the letter!!!!

      I read you guys!

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      • Level: favicon spaced Scoolinary Team

        Hi Carmen.

        I understand that preparing this type of cheesecake has its complications but let’s see thepossible mistakes and solutions:

        1. Separation of the mixture into whey

        Cause: It may be a problem with the emulsion of the cream cheese with the liquids. If the mixture of cheese, milk and butter was not well integrated before adding the egg yolks, it could have been cut.

        Solution: Make sure the melted milk and butter mixture is not too hot when incorporated into the cream cheese. It should be lukewarm so as not to cause separation.

        2. Unstable meringue

        Cause: If the meringue was not whipped correctly or was incorporated abruptly, it could have lost stability and not given the necessary structure.

        Solution: Whip the egg whites until stiff peaks, but do not over whip. Then incorporate them with gentle enveloping movements in several batches.

        3. Cooking problem

        Cause: An inadequate bain-marie (lack of water or incorrect temperature) can cause the cheesecake not to cook evenly and end up separating.

        Solution: Make sure the mold is well sealed (if using a removable mold, wrap with aluminum foil). Also, make sure that the water covers at least â of the pan and that the oven temperature is as indicated.

        4. Cooling time

        Cause: If the cheesecake is removed from the oven before it is completely cooled, the sudden change in temperature may cause it to collapse and separate.

        Solution: Follow the step of leaving the cheesecake in the oven off until completely cooled.

        I have a few questions for you to find out what might be going on.

        How did you integrate the cream cheese mixture with the milk and butter?

        How was the texture of the meringue before mixing?

        Did the water bath have enough water and was the oven at the right temperature?

        Did you let the cheesecake cool completely in the oven?

        Together we are going to use a solution so that in the next time you make cotton Cheesecake it will turn out great.

        Cheers.

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        • Carmen Velasco (edited)

          @undefined hello!

          I took the cream cheese out of the fridge well in advance to temper and that there was not so much difference. I put in the milk and butter (also at room temperature) and removed it just as it was starting to melt and finished integrating the butter with the whisk. It was lukewarm.

          The meringue was very firm, hard. I did it in 4 batches integrating well the first one to homogenize and the following ones with an enveloping movement. It is true that there were white streaks when I put it in the mold because I didn’t want to beat it too much and have it go down.

          I put a thermometer inside the oven to check the temperature and I put the container with water inside to ensure that the water had the same temperature as the oven.

          And yes, it was inside until it cooled completely. When I turned it off I saw that it was moving a lot but I thought it should finish curdling as it cooled. But nothing, when I wanted to unmold…. the mold is silicone not removable.

          It is not the first time that happens to me with these masses and I can not figure out why it is.

          Thanks Sussan.

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          a year ago
          • Los huevos también estaban a temperatura ambiente.

            • Level: favicon spaced Scoolinary Team

              Hola @dcarmenvdgmail-com
              Gracias por los detalles, esto nos ayuda mucho a entender qué pudo haber fallado.
              -Análisis de posibles errores
              1. El merengue estaba demasiado firme:
              El merengue demasiado duro puede dificultar su incorporación y generar vetas blancas en la masa, lo que indica que no se mezcló completamente.
              Para una próxima oportunidad,Intenta montar las claras hasta picos medios-firmes, no duros. Un merengue demasiado montado no se integra bien y puede hacer que la mezcla se desestabilice.

              2. El molde de silicona vs. el de metal
              La chef usa un molde de metal/aluminio, que distribuye mejor el calor. La silicona es aislante y no transmite el calor de manera uniforme, lo que puede hacer que el cheesecake no se cocine de manera pareja y quede más líquido en el centro.Asi que aunque hornees a la temperatura indicada en el recetario el molde de silicón no permitirá que la mezcla o cheesecake no llegue a la temperatura indicada.
              Puedes probar con un molde de metal o aluminio. Si solo se tienes de silicona, intentar precalentar la bandeja donde irá apoyado el molde para compensar la diferencia de conducción térmica y deja cocinar unos minutos más.

              3. Textura muy líquida al apagar el horno
              Si al apagar el horno el cheesecake aún se movía demasiado, es posible que no haya cuajado bien. Esto puede ser porque el baño maría no estaba en su punto óptimo o por la combinación de factores anteriores (tipo de molde metal/silicona).
              Una solución seria hornear 5-10 minutos más a 160°C antes de apagar el horno y dejar enfriar dentro.

              Próximo intento con ajustes:
              -Usar un molde de metal el cual conduce mejor el calor.
              -Montar el merengue hasta picos medios-firmes, no demasiado secos.
              -Hornear un poco más si al apagar el horno la textura sigue muy líquida.

              Creo que el cambio del molde puede hacer una gran diferencia. ¿Tienes uno de metal para probar?
              Saludos.

              • Carmen Velasco (edited)

                @sussan_scoolinaryteam Hola! tengo uno desmontable y no me atreví por si le entraba agua. Probaré de nuevo con todo lo que comentas, a ver qué consigo! Muchas gracias!

                • Level: favicon spaced Scoolinary Team

                  @dcarmenvdgmail-com perfecto!
                  Cómo recomendación puedes cubrir tu molde con papel plástico de cocina y pasar 2 veces para que el agua del baño María no entre también puedes usar un paño entre el agua y el molde para que no llegue directamente el agua al molde. Ya nos cuentas que tal te va. ✨

            • Cheer up, next time it will turn out well, whoever doesn’t try won’t make a mistake.

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              • Carmen Velasco (edited)

                I will take your advice to heart and try again.
                Thank you very much 🤗

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                What a bummer Carmen. I understand you perfectly, after so much work it is frustrating. I don’t know what could have happened but don’t get discouraged and try again when you feel like it. I’m sure you will get it😉.

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              • @sussan_scoolinaryteam I’m reworking the recipe and before baking it separates the dough in two. I did it all together, could it have affected or shouldn’t it, can it be done all at once?

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                • Level: favicon spaced Scoolinary Team

                  @dcarmenvdgmail-com I would advise you to follow the steps as the chef does it, if she separates the dough in means that her recipe yields for two molds, if you do it in a single mold the cooking time would be different. You would have to bake it a few more minutes, approximately 8 to 10 minutes more or until the center is still a little soft.

                  Greetings.

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